Protecting Your Vision
When I was at Decipher in the aforementioned meeting with the people at Games Workshop about cross promoting our Lord of the Rings RPG with their Lord of the Rings miniature wargame my boss, the closest thing I’ve come to meeting a genuine Tolkien scholar, said “What you really want, but can’t have, is stuff from the First Age. Which would you rather be, a random dude from Minas Tirith fighting Orcs in the ruins of Osgiliath, or an Elf Demigod fighting an army of Balrogs?”
“Holy shit!” the guys from GW didn’t say, but should have, “That sounds awesome, what do we have to do to get that?”
“Wait for Christopher Tolkien to die.”
Christoper Tolkien is one of the sons of J.R.R. Tolkien and the executor of his literary estate. His father in the 70s sold the film rights to The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit to the Saul Zaentz Corporation, who created a subsidiary business; Tolkien Enterprises. Tolkien Enterprises has nothing to do with the estate of J.R.R. Tolkien, except insofar that they are licensees in perpetuity as I understand it. Which means the license will never go back to the Tolkien Estate.
When someone, anyone, makes a movie based on the Lord of the Rings, or a game, or…pretty much anything except calendars which I believe are done through the publisher of the books, that movie or game is in some way produced through this license with Tolkien Enterprises.
New Line Cinema, for instance, bought the rights from The Saul Zaentz Corporation to make the movies with Peter Jackson. They had nothing to do with the Tolkien Estate, they went through Saul Zaentz & Co.
If you want to make a game based on the movies, and we did, then you have to go to New Line and get a license from them for their movies. You don’t have to deal with the Saul Zaentz corporation.
If you want your game to include references to anything in the novel(s) that isn’t in the movies, then you need to go to the Saul Zaentz Corp. and make a deal with them. You need two licenses, in other words, to cover the movies and the books. In neither instance are you dealing with the Tolkien Estate.
That’s what we did. Decipher licensed the movies from New Line (who bought the rights from the Saul Zaentz Corp) and licensed the books from the Saul Zaentz corp. Now we could include anything from either the original trilogy of books, or the new movies, in our game.
Getting our game done was kinda a pain in the ass, especially for someone like my boss who was, as I mentioned, a Tolkien nut. There was all sorts of stuff he’d like to include from, say, the Silmarillion or the Book of Lost Tales, but could not. Because the original license between Tolkien and Saul Zaentz covered only the original three books and the Hobbit. There was even some controversy over whether things mentioned in the appendix to the third book were covered by the license.
When you are working on a licensed property (and that’s all I ever worked on in the tabletop game business) you usually have to go through approvals which means submitting your work to the licensor, the guys who own the original property. Whenever we published a new Trek book, we had to first send it to Paramount and someone there, usually a very groovy dude, would read through it and let us know whether we’d presented the property in the right light. This isn’t merely fact checking, you understand. One thing we got dinged on early with Paramount was a picture of an overweight Starfleet NPC for a Trek book. The note came back; “Starfleet personnel are all fit and healthy.” On some things they would budge, especially if we could provide an example from the show, but on other things, like fat Starfleet officers, they would not.
Often this process first requires you to educate your licensor on what you’re working on. Our first guy at Paramount didn’t know what an RPG was and asked questions like “Do the players have to make their own characters?” And “do they have to be allowed to make up their own stories?” Don’t be too harsh on these guys, a lot of people don’t know what an RPG is and almost without exception Paramount was great to work with.
New Line and Tolkien Enterprises were great to work with too. I often see people blaming the failures, both real and perceived, of the Lord of the Rings RPG, or the Star Trek RPG, on the licensor, but in my experience we may have used them as an excuse, but the problems always lay with us. I mean, yes, it’s a pain in the ass to have to submit your work for review before publishing in the first place, but usually everyone wants the same thing; your product to be as good as it can be. You’re all on the same team.
The only problems that ever came about were a result, not of New Line or Tolkien Ent., but because of the Tolkien Estate, which is to say Christopher Tolkien.
He had nothing to do with our products, or indeed New Line’s movie, directly. But he was..strongly opposed to the movies New Line was making and therefore going over everything with a fine-tooth comb to find anything that he could use to revoke the license. If New Line, or Saul Zaentz or any of their licensees put anything in their books that was in direct violation of the licensing agreement, then Tolkien could sue and get the license revoked. Which he seems very much to want to do. So we had to be very careful, not because the people we bought the license from were particularly intractable, but because the ultimate SOURCE of the license in the first place was waiting for the opportunity to take the license away.
Most people, on hearing this, shout “boo!” Were it not for Christopher Tolkien’s attitude toward this stuff, you’d have all sorts of great stuff from the Silmarillion in your games and they’d be bad-ass.
Christopher Tolkien’s rationale for this, his opposition for virtually any work derived from his father’s novels, is not financial. He’s set for life. He’s also a respected professor and scholar in his own right. He appears, based on what I’ve read and seen, to be genuinely interested in protecting his father’s vision. And yours.
Thomas Aquinas once observed that when you look at a painting you are not appreciating the painting, you are appreciating that version of the painting which you have built in your imagination. You may not notice certain things the artist put in his painting, and you may imagine things in the painting the painter didn’t put there. You instantly create a version of the painting in your head which is unique to you. And it is this mental version of the painting which you are really appreciating.
Furthermore, he argued, that act of creation, you building a mental image of the painting, is just as valid an act of creation as the one the artist engaged in when creating the painting in the first place. The artist is a better painter, but he is not necessarily better at imagining the painting.
I often think of this while playing D&D. I have players who love to engage with the setting I’ve created and make up bits and play in character, and I have players who are really just audience members and perfectly happy to be so. I have learned that the latter players are not less creative than the former. Even the audience member is creating a version of my campaign in his head and that act of creation is just as valid as the GM’s. I long ago gave up trying to turn audience members into co-creators because I learned that they’re both appreciating the game, and to the same degree, just in different ways.
Christopher Tolkien loves his father’s work, and loves that version of it you build in your head when you read it. When you and I read The Lord of the Rings we both imagined Frodo and Gollum and Gandalf, and we each imagined them differently. My Gandalf does not look exactly like your Gandalf and it is this that Christopher Tolkien wants to protect.
It’s a battle he’s mostly lost with the Lord of the Rings, but he’s determined not to lose it with his father’s other work. For now, and for at least a couple of generations to come, Gandalf will be Ian McKellan. There are, of course, people who can see the movie and then read the book and their book-Gandalf won’t look like movie-Gandalf (when I read Star Trek books as a teenager, my Kirk didn’t look exactly like Shatner, I can’t explain why) but these people are in the minority.
For the price of getting to see the books on the big screen, New Line has killed our own creative vision. This is Chris Tolkien’s attitude and, having heard his arguments, mine as well. I loved the movies, but I loved the books more and now the latter will be at least informed by the former in my imagination. Gandalf will look like Ian McKellan. Duke Leto will look like Jürgen Prochnow. Good casting in both cases, but I was not consulted.
Sometimes people say to me “hey the movies are good for the books! Exposing them to millions more people.” Well, the books have been consistently popular for decades. They don’t need help. Movie or no, your grandkids will be able to buy them in a bookstore in decades to come.
If we still have bookstores.
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February 6th, 2008 at 10:29 pm
I never finished the LotR. After several hundred pages, I found I wasn’t enjoying it in the least and realized that Mr Tolkien probably wouldn’t give me a Coke for finishing it so I put it back on the shelf and never looked at it again.
So Ian McKellen is my Gandalf since the movies are my LotR (and I think they’re too long too). But! Strictly speaking, My Ian McKellen is subtly different from your Ian McKellen who is again subtly different from everyone else’s. So it’s all good. ;~)
February 6th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Tolkien probably would have given you a coke!
February 6th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
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February 7th, 2008 at 8:10 am
My Gandalf wears a gray hat, has a gray robe, is taller than Aragorn, has large muscled arms, … … and has no skin. In trying to remember what my 4th grade self thought of Gandalf, I tried to imagine how wrinkly his skin is and I don’t think I ever even considered giving him skin in my mental picture. It’s not that I can see some sort of undead version of Gandalf. Imagine if Gandalf were standing at the periphery of your vision so that all you could see was his hat and beard protruding into your line of sight. He has skin. You know he does. You also know he has a friendly smile. But you can’t see it right now. It’s like that. I find it really odd that I never considered it. Take the Lady. She’s only a face to me. No hair, no hood, no body. I know it’s there. I’m sure it’s exquisite. But I never bothered to imagine what it could be. I recently picked up a book that is a collection of all three books of the north and it has a picture of her on it. It looks nothing like her. (Same thing with who I think is supposed to be Croaker and I have no idea who that other dude is.)
I’m sure it’s actually quite normal for people to focus their imagination on different, specific qualities in the characters they read about.
February 8th, 2008 at 1:45 am
Detailed character descriptions are not Cook’s strength. I have a feeling of Croaker and Murgen and The Lady and One Eye more than any actual mental picture of what they look like.
I often read books and never form explicit notions of what the characters faces look like. When I write, I tend to “cast” the characters as known actors so I can cheat and describe that actor’s face in detail, and avoid creating it myself.
I sometimes wonder what it must like to be an artist and wonder whether they DO created detailed versions of otherwise vaguely described characters, or whether the act of drawing the picture for the first time IS the act of taking the vague collection of feelings and impressions and carving a face out of them.
February 8th, 2008 at 11:23 am
I love the movies, but they ain’t the books. They will, for me, forever be Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings, which is damned good, and a fun ride, and I keep poppin’ ‘em into the DVD player. Christopher Lee is awesome, but his Sauroman is an utter wimp, a pale reflection of Tolkien’s, who actually thought to “save” Middle Earth with bigger, meaner orcs. As dark as the movies get, they never even touch the full despair of the Long Retreat. I’ll always have a fond spot in my heart for what Jackson has given us fans of fantasy, but cinema isn’t the storytelling dynamite that novels are.
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- Brian
February 10th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
I have not watched the movies since I saw them in the theaters. This is, I think, largely because I saw each one three or four times, often in a 24 hour period the day it came out.
The last time I saw the last one it was at an AFI screening with Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh, Phillippa Boyens, Barrie Osborne and the head guy at New Line. Even though the QA was very interesting, this was the third or fourth time I’d seen it and by the end my brains were dribbling out my ears.
I didn’t *want* to watch them multiple times, I just had lots of friends who wanted to see it with me and I wanted to see it with them. I think those movies killed my decades-long tradition of seeing movies at midnight showings the day before.
May 14th, 2008 at 1:16 am
I swallowed the books at the age of 11 within two days. It took me another day to work me through the hobbit a week later. All the rest of the middle-earth library took about a year to finish. Since I’m a german native I didn’t have the chance to read much of this stuff in german because things like the "History of ME" have never been translated. But by reading them in english I learned much from them – not only the language itself but it’s flavour and, in the end, Prof. Tolkiens love for languages as a whole.Nevertheless I always hoped someone would make a movie of it – just for all the bad fantasy movies out there (I love Conan nonetheless
).Then Peter Jackson came. I love and hate the movies. I love them for beeing some of the greatest fantasy movies ever made. I hate them for not beeing even close to what I would think to be a proper representation of the books. But that’s just my humble opinion. They are flawed in so many things.What I really regret is the fact that DEC didn’t have a chance to make full use of this rich background. ICE did a great job back in the days and I’m sure they would have pleased us with tons of more fine books.The staff at DEC did the best they could and created some really awesome books – but they neither reached the quality of LUG Trek nor of MERP. I always hoped they would have sliped to much information of non-licensed material into their game so Tolkien Estate could revoke the license – probably even giving it back again to DEC under the sole control of Cristopher.Well – sometimes you can pray as much as you want. God just won’t listen. Nevertheless thank you very much for all your hard work at DEC! I loved your books.And though the pictures of the LotR in my mind are still only influenced of the calendars and the books I’m looking forward to the hobbit movie…and Smaug. Though I’m sure I’ll be disapointed again.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Perhaps it is more circular than you at first suggested. Gandalf does not simply look like Ian McKellan rather Ian was made to look like David Wenzel’s Gandalf from the Illistrated edition of the hobbit (1989 Ballantine). Which he in turn derived much in the way which you mentioned concerning the painting or in the reading of the Star Trek novels concerning Capt. Kirk. Which Kirk was in fact derived from Horatio Hornblower so to me Captain Kirk looked like Gregory Peck. Circular.
July 28th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Raemann I think the Alan Lee pictures of Gandalf were the intended reference point.